Where did South Africa see herself in terms of Cold War alignments?
PB: We couldn’t align ourselves to any power, not even the United States, because the United States was irrevocably – whether it was a Democratic government or a Republican government, they were irrevocably (Clears throat) and firmly and unconditionally against apartheid. It was merely a change in style that I experienced between the various governments, or a change in approaches; but as far as the purpose was concerned, apartheid also had to go in the eyes of the United States of America, but also in the eyes of the United Nations, in the eyes of the Europeans, in the eyes of everyone. And this was a particularly difficult situation from the South African Government’s point of view – namely: the United States saw apartheid as a drawing card, as something that the Soviet Union could use to gain more influence and power in South Africa, and accused the South African Government, saying, “Look, yes, we agree with you that the Soviet Union is a threat. We agree that it is often engaged in