Whats a typical adolescent relationship for Dutch boys?
REM: I’m not necessarily very Dutch, but … ideas, exploring the world. What he would be, what I would be – a huge, shared, speculative explosion. We tried to exacerbate our identities, in a way. We were both outcasts, and we were both writing. He dropped out, went to film school. We were defining a certain culture for ourselves. It was the ’60s. So there were all these adventures. The article you published in Hunch with Bart Lootsma is interesting he talks about how in ’68 everyone was either a Provo, a hippie, or part of a revolution. But also there was a strong and more inspiring version of hardcore, modern, abstract, “alienated” modernity. An option beyond “hating” society and wanting to destroy it. More like re-engineering – wanting it to become even more artificial. That’s how we felt. And that explains the ties, the suits. It’s the same ’68 impulse, but a different side of it. JEN: Can you explain what he’s been doing since then? REM: Rene Daalder has been a Hollywood visionary
