Were there occasions when MoveOn embarrassed the candidate or went a different direction?
They did their own thing. They were certainly independent of the candidate. I am sure they did things that the campaign didn’t approve of. But mostly they were whacking Bush; that was their thing. The one story I do recall doing about this in 2004 had to do with Alex Castellanos, who was working as the media guy for Bush and for some big 527s, or at least one. Yeah, I remember this. And I am wondering, is that a lovely way to get around the situation, or . . .? Yeah. It’s hard for a 527 that needs to operate, or any group, a PAC [political action committee] for that matter, which is making independent expenditures; [they] should not use the same media firm as a candidate. Now it’s possible to establish firewalls and so forth in a big enough firm with multiple major principals who actually operate independently. It’s possible to establish a firewall where there really is not a transmission of inside information. But it’s harder to do with a media firm than with some other, like polling
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