“Nick” wrote in message news:1138941818.308244.231410@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Let’s fantasize. We’re allowed to spend up to $2000. The only conditions are that it be for the home (ie. it can’t take up an entire kitchen counter). If you think that the best espresso machine is in the $400 range, then that’s fine. It’s not the high price, it’s the quality. I’m truly curious as to what’s out there. thanks, Nick Let’s get real; let me summarize the entire thread that would develop if people had the patience for it: (1) Do not speak of espresso machines in a vacuum; speak of espresso machines AND grinders. One without the other isn’t worth much and most would say the grinder is more important until you get up into the nether reaches of equipment. The two purchases should be budgeted for and (I would argue) should be balanced. With regard to the grinder, for home use you need to spend in excess of $100, you hit a sweet spot in the mid $200’s, and basically