This is not intended as a flame of anyone. If anything, it might be a call to discuss the levels at which we ask students to perform. It is only meant for discussion, not argument. As a parent, I cannot help but be concerned. Kathleen ====================== 96/03 From-> Stephen Frail/HHP/International Thomson Publishing Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: Another nerf-like activity “We are pushing kids along before they have mastered something, but because they have been able to play the game they can get an A or a B” Kathleen: Your argument here can be turned around against teaching “no-frills grammar.” You can wait until your students have mastered a particular structure before pushing them along, and your students will get an A or a B on the quiz, but they might not be able to communicate meaningfully. Most likely, after they’ve taken the quiz, they’ll forget that structure in very little time.